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Sun Jan 12 1:57 am  #31


Re: Footballer who took out superinjunction against Imogen Thomas is......

Despairing   the Sunday Herald didn't break English law. The English injunction does not (and can not) apply to acnitos taken in Scotland. Broadly speaking, they have no ability to restrict those located outside their jurisdiction. The footballer's advisers should have sought an interdict in a Scottish court if they wanted to prevent the allegations being published in Scotland.Much of the confusion arises because the English courts often adopt what might be described as an expansionist and/or extraterritorial stance. So, their super-injunctions purport to apply to everyone in the world. Bless them and their delusions of imperial grandeur!As an aside, I do think this footballer has been terribly badly advised from a legal/tactical perspective. This is now a huge story, whereas the usual footballer-slapper kiss and tell doesn't make much of an impact. Had he not taken these steps, this matter would have been publicised, and forgotten about, long ago.CC

Sun Jan 12 5:10 am  #32


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Douglas's argument was lost in the ciuonsofn that someone can be extradited from Britain for breaking US law but they're safe in Scotland for breaking English law. I look forward to the editor of the Sunday Herald being extradited to London, and the ensuing broohaha!Also, an observation: the Sunday Herald is usually buried in the centre of the display stand in WH Smith in Waverley station. Yesterday it had pride of place on one of the outer stands where it could more easily be seen. Did a staffer do that themselves, did the Sunday Herald specifically request it, or did they print more copies in anticipation? And incidentally, was I breaking the law yesterday when my copy ended up bandied around the messroom in Newcastle station, having been bought in Edinburgh?And I can't believe I actually used the word broohaha.

Mon Jan 13 12:14 am  #33


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Every 2nd year law student knows the mxmais of equity, or at least they know the ones that count here.   He who comes to equity must come with clean hands   how do adulterers have these metaphorical clean hands?  Equity acts in personam.  Law in rem.  That makes the concept of injunctions  against persons unknown  or contra mundum (against the world) a nonsense.  Since some of our judges firmly believe that our silly antiquated secrecy culture can be exported let them think on this one.  A certain politician in a land far far away gets annoyed at bad press he reads in our media.  He pops down to the court in his capaital city and gets his judges to injunct contra mundum.  Do our judges accept that this injunction is enforecable here?

Mon Jan 13 5:00 am  #34


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Mon Jan 13 5:05 am  #35


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It was on BBC 24 which cuto him as part of the ongoing story, he clalery couldn't be bothered as he had bigger things to worry about. However as soon as it was put to him repeatedly that the *English* Attorney-general may intervene to impose the injnction, he gave the short informed lecture and ridiculed the idea that the A G would not know that he has no jurisdiction in Scotland. Info that the journo's putting the questions to him clalery were unaware of.As Jeff states in his reply to me above, yir ordinary Englishman would be unaware of this (as would perhaps yir ordinary Scot) but these were British political journalists. Yet another example of the writ of the British mind running no farther than Hadrian's wall, and underscoring the England as Britain fact.

Mon Jan 13 7:09 am  #36


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The US law doesnt apply<a href="http://opdaddpvh.com"> gbolally</a>. They are seeking his extradition for crimes committed there. Now, for extradition to work in this case there needs to be something called dual criminality   where the act was both a crime in the US and a crime in the UK/Scotland. McKinnon faces extradition because what he did was a crime here as well (thus the calls for him to be tried in the UK). Although extradition clearly doesn't apply here, the principle of two different legal systems with different laws does (or three if you include twitter in California).   I dont think that tweets are that different from carving something on a tree or writing something on a toilet cubicle wall.

Mon Jan 13 7:36 am  #37


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I guess I don't understand how you can argue that US law<a href="http://nradhbmxotm.com"> aplpies</a> globally but English/Welsh law (or whatever it is)<a href="http://nradhbmxotm.com"> aplpies</a> only to England & Wales. I of course don't believe Gary McKinnon should be at threat from US authorities but the reality is that he is, so it's surely reasonable to novate the same conclusions there to the Sunday Herald issue, at least speculatively.I believe tweets are publishing because you are putting out into the public domain information or opinions on other people and you should be held accountable for what you write. Simple as that.  A comment in the pub is lost forever, a comment online is permanent and can be heard, potentially, by millions.

Mon Jan 13 8:56 am  #38


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Mon Jan 13 10:01 am  #39


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Mon Jan 13 10:40 am  #40


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Mon Jan 13 10:42 am  #41


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Mon Jan 13 10:44 am  #42


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Mon Jan 13 10:56 am  #43


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Was this story really about who benkod who? Reading what was actually written in the paper, suggest that the reason for the injunctions was more to do with football personality worry about the effect his sponsorship deals that the news might have if it leaked out. He was worried about his money not his marriage. If someone is taking money under false pretences, i.e. sponsorship based on a squeaky clean image, is it not in the public interest that the story get out? Whether this was so in this case, I don't know, as I know little of the persons involved and care less, but I do care about the freedom of the press and free speech.

Mon Jan 13 12:55 pm  #44


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Mon Jan 13 1:52 pm  #45


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Tue Jan 14 1:02 am  #46


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I don't have the Herald article here at this memont, but I'm pretty sure they were very clear to make the distinction between naming the  gentleman  in question as the owner of the superinjunction and naming him as the person alleged by twitter users to be in possession of the injunction.I read Campbell Deane's piece in the Scotsman today   I was left with the definite impression that his  legal opinion' was biased by the fact that his employers had missed the opportunity to run the story themselves. The Scotsman's POV in general seemed covered in the stench of sour grapes.

Tue Jan 14 1:51 am  #47


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Tue Jan 14 2:34 am  #48


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Tue Jan 14 9:38 am  #49


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Tue Jan 14 1:42 pm  #50


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Tue Jan 14 4:37 pm  #51


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Tue Jan 14 8:06 pm  #52


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Tue Jan 14 8:07 pm  #53


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Tue Jan 14 11:48 pm  #54


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Wed Jan 15 12:03 am  #55


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Wed Jan 15 1:12 am  #56


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Touche re Stacy not Stacey.Your phrase  in a<a href="http://dwuftpmejyu.com"> fteutlr</a>  suggests a degree of emotional distress amongst lawyers and judges at some perceived violation of their  institution . I do not know any lawyers or judges   and I know very many   who remotely think like that.Injunctions have not just been invented. Thousands are granted every year in all sorts of situations. An injunction is a very useful legal remedy or interim remedy and the current furore regarding a limited number of a particular type of injunction will have no impact on the continued existence of the remedy.To the extent that any concern has been expressed about the current situation by judges it has largely been regarding the use of Parliamentary privilege to reveal some of the detail of some injunctions. The use of Parliamentary privilege in this manner is particularly ironic. Parliament enacted the Human Rights Act in 1998 thus creating the very law that individuals have used to seek to protect their privacy. Parliamentarians   usually for self-seeking reasons of their own   revealing the detail of such injunctions cannot know the reasons the injunctions were granted. The fact is that there is no public interest in everyone being told that Ryan Giggs has been shagging Imogen Thomas although of course the public are very interested in that apparent fact. Your comments also perpetuate silly myths about lawyers and judges. There is probably greater awareness and use of social networking amongst lawyers and judges than most professionals and a very clear understanding of the challenges to the efficacy of the law that social networking can pose. I do not think there is the slightest wish amongst the judiciary to  control  either newspapers or Twitter. It isn't a question of  control  but rather a question of compliance with and respect for the law. Thousands of Twitter users   usually   indeed almost universally   from positions of utter ignorance   have decided that it doesn't suit them to comply with a properly obtained entirely lawful injunction. Ryan Giggs might not deserve the protection of the injunction the law entitled him to, but in deciding that he didn't deserve that protection thousands of people have put themselves above the law. Whilst no-one will shed  a tear for Ryan Giggs the harm that can be done by the gossip spread on Twitter cannot simply be put back in the bottle by a reasoned correction. Jemima Khan issued a reasoned correction but she'll still always be linked now, rightly or wrongly, with Jeremy Clarkson. Ultimately   however an injunction is deliberately breached, whether in a newspaper or via Twitter   the law will take steps to ensure that the rule of law is enforced. It is unlikely that anyone will be prosecuted in relation to the Ryan Giggs affair   but those who Tweet are not above the law.

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